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Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: ricardomz on May 12, 2006, 08:58:24 PM
I use opera, cause it's faster and better than firefox, so it would be great if you had an opera edition, or if someone could do a widget for opera. I managed to put the downloaded html version on a panel in opera, using the "small screen view" (only in opera,   ), but i always have to put the url and change the hash algorithm, I thing I'm gonna edit the html version, but the url there's no escape.
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: Miquel 'Fire' Burns on May 12, 2006, 09:09:38 PM
Not sure if there are any developers active who have Opera and have time to create and mantain this edition right now.

Maybe you can be the lead developer of that edition?
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: ricardomz on May 13, 2006, 02:11:34 AM
Quote from: miquelfire
Not sure if there are any developers active who have Opera and have time to create and mantain this edition right now.

Maybe you can be the lead developer of that edition?

I would do that, but I don't know how to
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: Miquel 'Fire' Burns on May 13, 2006, 03:18:05 AM
Alright then. We just have to keep our eyes open then.
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: Eric H. Jung on May 13, 2006, 03:40:06 AM
Yep. I think at the moment all of the volunteers' time is maxed out... sorry. Hopefully that will change, though.
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: tanstaafl on May 14, 2006, 02:28:35 AM
Quote from: Opera plz
I use opera, cause it's faster and better than firefox,
Thats funny - I use Firefox cause its faster and better than Opera...

 
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: ricardomz on May 14, 2006, 09:21:30 PM
Quote from: tanstaafl
Thats funny - I use Firefox cause its faster and better than Opera...

 

This is not the topic subject, but I agree that firefox is better, but just because of the extensions. If opera had extensions I think it would be better. And in my pc firefox takes toooo long to inicialize, opera is faster.
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: tanstaafl on May 15, 2006, 12:28:24 AM
Quote from: Opera plz
This is not the topic subject,
No, but you did start out your post with pure flame-bait, so what did you expect?

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but I agree that firefox is better, but just because of the extensions. If opera had extensions I think it would be better. And in my pc firefox takes toooo long to inicialize, opera is faster.
Firefox screams on my PC... but then, I do have a fast PC. I have heard of many issues with Opera too... nothing is perfect...
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: Sukarn on December 19, 2006, 05:52:31 AM
Firefox and Opera are both great browsers, and the only reason I am using FF more than Opera is the extension Password Maker. If someone could port this to Opera, I would switch to Opera full time.
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: Eric H. Jung on December 22, 2006, 12:52:17 AM
I really doubt that will happen anytime soon, Karan.
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: Miquel 'Fire' Burns on December 22, 2006, 04:07:54 AM
I tried to learn about Opera's Widgets, only to find out that it would be basically porting the Yahoo! Widgets Edition instead of the Firefox Edition, so I just gave up trying to learn more as a result. Why learn something if you're never going to really use it?

Unless there's something in Opera that works like Firefox extensions, I have no interest in dealing with Opera.
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: caspian on January 19, 2007, 04:01:22 PM
I'm a fellow Opera user, and have ported PasswordMaker to Opera. This is still a prototype... so if you use Opera, please help test it!

To install the widget, download this file: http://passwordmaker.org/proto/caspian/passwordMaker.zip (http://passwordmaker.org/proto/caspian/passwordMaker.zip)

Then, drag the downloaded file into an open Opera window. (Or, in Opera, go to File > Open...)

Enjoy!
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: Eric H. Jung on January 20, 2007, 03:06:40 AM
We could really use some Opera testers... please post here if you've tried it.

Thanks,
Eric
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: Eric H. Jung on February 10, 2007, 09:14:09 PM
Caspian, are you planing on releasing the Opera widget?
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: caspian on February 10, 2007, 11:55:01 PM
Thanks, Eric -- I just submitted the widget to widgets.opera.com. After it is reviewed, it'll become available for download.
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: Eric H. Jung on February 11, 2007, 05:41:24 AM
Cool. I thought you were going to host it here, but that's better. We'll link to the opera site from here... let me know when it's approved.
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: caspian on February 14, 2007, 02:49:43 PM
Ok, the Opera widget has been approved! It took a while since the interface didn't confirm to Opera widget standards at first, so I had to make some modifications.

The widget page can be found here: http://widgets.opera.com/widget/6197 (http://widgets.opera.com/widget/6197) (Wow! It's had 46 downloads and it's only been approved for 5 hours)

It's also on the "New Widgets" page: http://widgets.opera.com/new/ (http://widgets.opera.com/new/)
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: Eric H. Jung on February 14, 2007, 05:06:15 PM
Very nice! Congratulations! We should add this the news page and news feed.
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: ricardomz on April 12, 2007, 09:35:40 PM
Thanks man... very good widget. The biggest limitation is that it can't retrieve the pages url automatically, so you have to create profiles and manually put urls. Other thing that I noticed is that even if I check just "domain", writing www.passwordmaker.org or www.passwordmaker.org/test makes a diferent password. Isn't it supposed to be the same? But great job man.

p.s: there's a similar widget: Password Hasher, that uses other site instead of passwordmaker.
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: caspian on April 13, 2007, 03:47:59 AM
Unfortunately, Opera widgets are completely separated from the browser due to "security reasons."

The options such as domain, protocol, etc. state which part of the URL is to be hashed with the other data to generate the password. So, yes, changing these options will change the generated password.
Title: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: Eric H. Jung on April 20, 2007, 02:55:03 PM
Almost 1800 downloads... very nice, Caspian. We gotta add this to the list of editions on passwordmaker.org.
Title: Re: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: jarvis on August 20, 2007, 02:40:35 PM
Hi

Given that opera widgets cannot interface with Opera, my request would be to move the "Input URL" dialog from the pop-out "Edit Profiles" window, to the main window.  This would make it easier to use the "Default" profile because you would be able to past in the URL you're logging into.

A second request would be to have a slight delay after changing the contents of a field before the password is re-calculated.  (See the desktop version).  This is because the widget seems quite sluggish when typing into text boxes and the password being recalculated with each key stroke can't be helping.  Like the desktop version, you could blank the "Calculated Password" box when a field is changed and start a timer.  If more keys are pressed, the timer is restarted.  When the timer ends (2 seconds maybe) the password is recalculated and displayed.

I did add a comment over at widgets.opera.com but I'm not sure if Caspian is monitoring this, or even continuing development of the widget.

Thanks

Andy

P.S. Full marks on the PasswordMaker system in general, just started using it after hearing somebody mention it on Security Now! podcast with Leo Laporte / Steve Gibson.  They were discussing using "algorithms" in your head to come up with passwords for different sites, but it's a h of a lot easier to use a proper hashing algorithm, thanks guys!
Title: Re: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: Eric H. Jung on August 20, 2007, 03:03:26 PM
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P.S. Full marks on the PasswordMaker system in general, just started using it after hearing somebody mention it on Security Now! podcast with Leo Laporte / Steve Gibson.  They were discussing using "algorithms" in your head to come up with passwords for different sites, but it's a h of a lot easier to use a proper hashing algorithm, thanks guys!

Thanks! If you happen to have a link to that podcast or know which date it was that is was broadcast, I'd appreciate it... I'd like to listen to what Leo has to say. Caspian is still around; I'll ping him to get him to look into your suggestions.
Title: Re: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: Miquel 'Fire' Burns on August 20, 2007, 04:17:26 PM
So, the Javascript in Opera widgets does't run faster than normal pages. I'm guess Firefox is the only browser that does that.

The lack of the interfacing with the main browser is the reason I didn't really try to develop it myself (and because I'm not used to using Opera anyway).
Title: Re: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: jarvis on August 20, 2007, 08:53:26 PM
I heard it SN#96 which was a Listener Q&A - a listener named Justin wrote in and said (among other things)
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STEVE:  It certainly sounded good.  Then he says, "There is a wonderful add-on for Firefox called PasswordMaker.  It allows you to use a single password, and it hashes your password and the domain name of the site you are currently on to create a unique, random-looking password for each site.  Since the hash is created the same way every time, you can get your password from any computer with the browser, or use the online JavaScript version if you are on a different computer."

LEO:  I use something similar from Zarate Labs, same exact idea.

STEVE:  Yup, and I like it.  And for what it’s worth, there is also an add-on for IE.  They don’t have screenshots of it.  They’ve got screenshots of the Firefox version on PasswordMaker.  But I just wanted to - I thought that was a cool thing, and I’ve heard about it, so I wanted to relay that from Justin, our listener.

LEO:  That’s a good way to do it.

Passwordmaker.org also appears in the show notes for episode #5 http://www.grc.com/sn/notes-005.htm (http://www.grc.com/sn/notes-005.htm) along with some alternative methods of achieveing secure unique passwords for each web site you use.  However, it wasn't mentioned in this pod-cast.  I guess Steve just wanted to present a list of alternative "password managers" and the like and didn't get into fully describing all of them.

Yes, Opera Widgets don't seem very useful - I've never bothered with them at all until now, plus the javascript does seem to run sluggishly and consume a fair bit more CPU than when using the HTML version of Passwordmaker.  I might just use the on-line version in a panel like a user mentioned previously in this thread!
Title: Re: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: caspian on August 21, 2007, 02:52:56 PM
Hi, Jarvis.

I like your ideas. Just a thought... which could be better -- moving the login URL text field to the main window, or adding a button (in the main window) which would open the login page in a new browser tab?

I like the idea of not rehashing the password immediately. I'll play around to see what kind of delay can improve performance without getting in the way with usability.

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On a side note, I found that SoftPedia is now listing the PasswordMaker Opera widget (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/Browser-Tweak/PasswordMaker-Opera-Widget.shtml).
Title: Re: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: jarvis on August 22, 2007, 06:15:38 PM
Hi, Jarvis.

I like your ideas. Just a thought... which could be better -- moving the login URL text field to the main window, or adding a button (in the main window) which would open the login page in a new browser tab?

Both sound good ideas, why not do both!.  Can widgets open new tabs or otherwise interact with Opera?  From previous comments I thought they couldn't.

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I like the idea of not rehashing the password immediately. I'll play around to see what kind of delay can improve performance without getting in the way with usability.

Cool, much appreciated.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: caspian on August 22, 2007, 06:23:59 PM
Widgets can open new tabs, but they can't interact with any pages... even pages that were opened by the widget.
Title: Re: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: Eric H. Jung on August 23, 2007, 02:59:36 AM
I just realized the Opera Edition (http://widgets.opera.com/widget/6197) was never linked on the main http://passwordmaker.org website (under "Downloads"). It's there now; hopefully this will make it easier for people to find!
Title: Re: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: Miquel 'Fire' Burns on October 13, 2007, 01:40:34 AM
Now someone needs to make it support the Wii (http://operawatch.com/news/2007/10/update-for-the-wii-internet-channel-includes-usb-keyboard-support.html). Only Widget I would install on mine. ;)

Actually, I need to see if I have a junk USB keyboard I wouldn't mind using on that.
Title: Re: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: Eric H. Jung on October 13, 2007, 02:26:05 AM
Now someone needs to make it support the Wii (http://operawatch.com/news/2007/10/update-for-the-wii-internet-channel-includes-usb-keyboard-support.html). Only Widget I would install on mine. ;)

Actually, I need to see if I have a junk USB keyboard I wouldn't mind using on that.
What's going on here? You can run opera on the wii?
Title: Re: Opera edition/widjet plz
Post by: Miquel 'Fire' Burns on October 13, 2007, 02:39:24 AM
Yep, it's like the native browser on the system. It's actually called the Internet Channel, but you see a powered by Opera in the corner when you start it up. The Widget is locked to PCs only. (And if any mobile devices would support widgets, ours wouldn't)